Validity

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Halliday & Matthiessen (2004: 117):
Semantics has nothing to do with truth; it is concerned with consensus about validity, and consensus is negotiated in dialogue.

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  1. eldon
    Jun 26, 2010 @ 02:01:27

    The relation between information and value becomes still more evident when we consider the asking of questions and other forms of seeking information. We may compare the seeking of information with the seeking of values. In the seeking of values it is clear that what happens is that a man sets out to “trick” the Second Law of Thermodynamics. He endeavours to interfere with the “natural” or random course of events, so that some otherwise improbable outcome will be achieved. For his breakfast, he achieves and arrangement of bacon and eggs, side by side, upon a plate; and in achieving this improbability he is aided by other men who will sort out the appropriate pigs is some distant market and interfere with the natural juxtaposition of hens and eggs…[..]..Briefly, in value seeking he is achieving a coincidence or congruence between something in his head – an idea of what breakfast should be – and something external, an actual arrangement of eggs and bacon..[..]..In contrast, when he is seeking information, he is again trying to achieve a congruence between “something in his head” and the external world; but now he attempts to do this by altering what is in his head.
    ..it follows that the human individual can never perceive himself
    perfectly in relation to others…”

    (Reusch & Bateson 1951: 280)

  2. Greg's Gal
    Jun 26, 2010 @ 02:36:28

    ” It is well known that wish and perception partially coincide. Indeed this discovery is one of Freud’s greatest contributions. Not only does every human being tend to see in the external world (and in himself) that which he wishes to be the case; but having seen in the external world something even disastrous, he must still wish his information to be true. He must act in terms of what he knows – good or evil – and when he acts he will meet with frustration and pain if things are not as he ‘knows’ them to be. Therefore he must, in a certain sense, wish them to be as he ‘knows’ they are.
    The preceding paragraph brings up a matter of great theoretical importance: the problem of the relationship between the concept ‘information’ and the concept ‘negative entropy’. Wiener has argued that these two concepts are synonymous; ..[..].. it unites the natural and social sciences and finally resolves the problems of teleology and the mind-body dichotomy which Occidental thought has inherited from classical Athens.” (them again)

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